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		<title>By: Bolts On Da Gravel</title>
		<link>http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/07-11-2007/tfbay/#comment-39096</link>
		<dc:creator>Bolts On Da Gravel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sorta liked the film, but I&#039;m using sorta in a vague sense.

 To describe Transformers the movie would like trying to describe a train wreck to a person who had been outta town the past week. It just happened.

The Transformations were good, don&#039;t get me wrong, but yeah, like you said WES it was majorly lacking in robot fights. But I did like the fact that they put Scorpinoc in there.

Okay moive, hope the sequel is better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sorta liked the film, but I'm using sorta in a vague sense.</p>
<p> To describe Transformers the movie would like trying to describe a train wreck to a person who had been outta town the past week. It just happened.</p>
<p>The Transformations were good, don't get me wrong, but yeah, like you said WES it was majorly lacking in robot fights. But I did like the fact that they put Scorpinoc in there.</p>
<p>Okay moive, hope the sequel is better</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/07-11-2007/tfbay/#comment-17333</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i saw the film, and i read your review of it... i agree, while i liked the film as a stand alone, it was not the transformers i remember. the physics made more sence, ie megatron did not go from being as big as starscream to being a pistol in his hand, or soundwave go from being the same size to a normal casset player. but they were hardly in the film at all! i only knew who megatron was because the characters named him, starscream was there for the fight at the end but had only a single line and what i thought was &#039;supposed&#039; to be soundwave was a totaly different character, or did i miss the episode where he turned into a hyperactive little gremlin?

i liked the addition of slang to the autobots, claiming that they learned english by listening to out broadcasts was a nice toutch but should have been done better. LIKE ACTUALY MAKING THE FILM ABOUT THEM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i saw the film, and i read your review of it... i agree, while i liked the film as a stand alone, it was not the transformers i remember. the physics made more sence, ie megatron did not go from being as big as starscream to being a pistol in his hand, or soundwave go from being the same size to a normal casset player. but they were hardly in the film at all! i only knew who megatron was because the characters named him, starscream was there for the fight at the end but had only a single line and what i thought was 'supposed' to be soundwave was a totaly different character, or did i miss the episode where he turned into a hyperactive little gremlin?</p>
<p>i liked the addition of slang to the autobots, claiming that they learned english by listening to out broadcasts was a nice toutch but should have been done better. LIKE ACTUALY MAKING THE FILM ABOUT THEM!</p>
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		<title>By: Satomiblood</title>
		<link>http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/07-11-2007/tfbay/#comment-15531</link>
		<dc:creator>Satomiblood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes: Well, even now, you still get the same argument over why people find it terrible.  Forgive me if I too was beating a dead horse.

And what I loved about this movie was the top shelf CGI, the voice acting, freeway chase, and pretty much all the battles despite many of them being short.  The issues have more to do with lack of screentime and very questionable portions of the plot (glasses, etc.).  But when it came down to the robots themselves, I think they delivered on what little time was allotted to them.

Many felt Spielberg himself should&#039;ve directed while Bay stayed on as an action and stunt coordinator.  I don&#039;t know how much that would&#039;ve helped.

I&#039;m not keen on Spielberg&#039;s most recent work.  And TF is the only Bay movie I really enjoyed, although I&#039;ve never actually criticized anything outside of 2001&#039;s piece of shit Peal Harbor.  The Bad Boys franchise was pretty good for what it was.

p.s. I hope you don&#039;t take this as a personal attack or anything.  

But how personal can you get on the internet anyway (lol)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes: Well, even now, you still get the same argument over why people find it terrible.  Forgive me if I too was beating a dead horse.</p>
<p>And what I loved about this movie was the top shelf CGI, the voice acting, freeway chase, and pretty much all the battles despite many of them being short.  The issues have more to do with lack of screentime and very questionable portions of the plot (glasses, etc.).  But when it came down to the robots themselves, I think they delivered on what little time was allotted to them.</p>
<p>Many felt Spielberg himself should've directed while Bay stayed on as an action and stunt coordinator.  I don't know how much that would've helped.</p>
<p>I'm not keen on Spielberg's most recent work.  And TF is the only Bay movie I really enjoyed, although I've never actually criticized anything outside of 2001's piece of shit Peal Harbor.  The Bad Boys franchise was pretty good for what it was.</p>
<p>p.s. I hope you don't take this as a personal attack or anything.  </p>
<p>But how personal can you get on the internet anyway (lol)?</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
		<link>http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/07-11-2007/tfbay/#comment-15237</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>felix: I disagree -- if character development were a numerical score, this movie would probably get a negative number. Even though they took center stage and did stuff, the humans didn&#039;t really get anything I can sincerely call &quot;character development&quot; either.

Satomiblood: Loving this horrible movie doesn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; make you a moron -- after all, you do seem to acknowledge many of its numerous flaws -- but in light of that I am incredibly curious about &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; you loved it (aside from that it was a decent &quot;first try&quot;). &quot;Loved&quot; also seems like a pretty strong word to use for a film that you readily note could have been much better.

And to be fair, this review was posted on July 11 -- shortly after the film&#039;s theatrical release -- so to criticize it for reiterating thoughts that have been echoed numerous times in the last five months isn&#039;t really fair. That said, perhaps these flaws get mentioned so often because &lt;i&gt;the movie really does have them&lt;/i&gt;. Unless person A is deliberately copying person B&#039;s sentiments upon acknowledging that a sunny day really is a sunny day, you can&#039;t legitimately criticize person A insofar as he is aiming to provide a cursory description of the weather. :P

Also, while I do think Michael Bay makes incredibly shitty films, it&#039;s not fair to reduce the review (or me) to a garden variety &quot;Bay basher&quot; either. If any other director had produced the exact same movie, I&#039;d be criticizing that director just as harshly (though I might even throw in a few insulting comparisons to Michael Bay, as his name has sort of become synonymous with incredibly brain-rotting &#039;splosion flicks ;) ). Also, despite knowing that Bay was directing, it&#039;s not as if I had written the movie off as crap before even seeing it. I was there to see it on opening day, and against my better judgment I was actually &lt;i&gt;excited&lt;/i&gt; about it. I totally gave it a chance, and it totally let me down. So I totally will not be extending that courtesy to the sequel. :P

And no, I wasn&#039;t expecting it to be on the level of Macbeth, but it could at least have been on par with &lt;i&gt;TMNT&lt;/i&gt;. I was hardly thrilled by that movie either, but at least, at the end of the day, I can honestly say that &lt;i&gt;TMNT&lt;/i&gt; was a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie. Bay&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Transformers&lt;/i&gt;, on the other hand, was -- as aptly stated by Eruj! -- just a movie about humans with a handful of giant robots in it (and mainly towards the very end). Oh, and lots and lots of explosions, too.

Eruj: Hear, hear! Movies like &lt;i&gt;Transformers&lt;/i&gt; (not to mention shows like &quot;Heroes&quot;, which was completely awesome last season but has since become depressingly horrible) are why I am not the least bit upset about the WGA strike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>felix: I disagree -- if character development were a numerical score, this movie would probably get a negative number. Even though they took center stage and did stuff, the humans didn't really get anything I can sincerely call "character development" either.</p>
<p>Satomiblood: Loving this horrible movie doesn't <i>necessarily</i> make you a moron -- after all, you do seem to acknowledge many of its numerous flaws -- but in light of that I am incredibly curious about <i>why</i> you loved it (aside from that it was a decent "first try"). "Loved" also seems like a pretty strong word to use for a film that you readily note could have been much better.</p>
<p>And to be fair, this review was posted on July 11 -- shortly after the film's theatrical release -- so to criticize it for reiterating thoughts that have been echoed numerous times in the last five months isn't really fair. That said, perhaps these flaws get mentioned so often because <i>the movie really does have them</i>. Unless person A is deliberately copying person B's sentiments upon acknowledging that a sunny day really is a sunny day, you can't legitimately criticize person A insofar as he is aiming to provide a cursory description of the weather. <img src='http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, while I do think Michael Bay makes incredibly shitty films, it's not fair to reduce the review (or me) to a garden variety "Bay basher" either. If any other director had produced the exact same movie, I'd be criticizing that director just as harshly (though I might even throw in a few insulting comparisons to Michael Bay, as his name has sort of become synonymous with incredibly brain-rotting 'splosion flicks <img src='http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). Also, despite knowing that Bay was directing, it's not as if I had written the movie off as crap before even seeing it. I was there to see it on opening day, and against my better judgment I was actually <i>excited</i> about it. I totally gave it a chance, and it totally let me down. So I totally will not be extending that courtesy to the sequel. <img src='http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And no, I wasn't expecting it to be on the level of Macbeth, but it could at least have been on par with <i>TMNT</i>. I was hardly thrilled by that movie either, but at least, at the end of the day, I can honestly say that <i>TMNT</i> was a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie. Bay's <i>Transformers</i>, on the other hand, was -- as aptly stated by Eruj! -- just a movie about humans with a handful of giant robots in it (and mainly towards the very end). Oh, and lots and lots of explosions, too.</p>
<p>Eruj: Hear, hear! Movies like <i>Transformers</i> (not to mention shows like "Heroes", which was completely awesome last season but has since become depressingly horrible) are why I am not the least bit upset about the WGA strike.</p>
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		<title>By: Eruj</title>
		<link>http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/07-11-2007/tfbay/#comment-15149</link>
		<dc:creator>Eruj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that the apologists all use the same reasoning. &quot;You have to understand, it&#039;s the first movie in a franchise, and it&#039;ll get better!&quot; Or, &quot;What did you expect from a movie about giant robots&quot; or &quot;You just need to leave your brain at the door, man!&quot;

Come on. It&#039;s reasoning like that which allows Hollyweird to keep making garbage with no merit and no effort. I completely agree with Wes here - the screenwriters, while claiming to be fans of the original cartoon, had no idea how to make a decent translation. 

I think instead of &quot;Transformers,&quot; the movie should&#039;ve been called, &quot;A Movie About Humans With Some Giant Robots In it.&quot; At least then, none of us who hated the movie would&#039;ve been surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that the apologists all use the same reasoning. "You have to understand, it's the first movie in a franchise, and it'll get better!" Or, "What did you expect from a movie about giant robots" or "You just need to leave your brain at the door, man!"</p>
<p>Come on. It's reasoning like that which allows Hollyweird to keep making garbage with no merit and no effort. I completely agree with Wes here - the screenwriters, while claiming to be fans of the original cartoon, had no idea how to make a decent translation. </p>
<p>I think instead of "Transformers," the movie should've been called, "A Movie About Humans With Some Giant Robots In it." At least then, none of us who hated the movie would've been surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Satomiblood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Satomiblood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the minority here: I actually loved it.  Now does that make me a moron?  I&#039;m gathering from your review that it does because the whole thing just oozed with elitism.  

Now I love G1 as much as the next guy, but despite its flaws, I think Transformers did very well in its first try.  Could it have been better?  Of course.  I&#039;m in agreement that the Transformers in general should have gotten more screen time and that the plot revolving around the glasses was essentially useless, but this is the first installment of a 3-4 volume franchise and it should get better with time.  You have to understand that Bay and Co. were making this movie not only for old fans (in general, not just hardcore G1), but were using it as a litmus test to bring in a new wave of enthusiasts.

Again, it could&#039;ve been better.  More robot screentime, more Decepticon interaction.  I was totally okay with Megatron not appearing until the end, but his battle with Prime could&#039;ve had greater emphasis and it definitely wasn&#039;t as epic as in &#039;86.  Also, Starscream could&#039;ve been introduced earlier.  If all the bullshit was wiped clean, there would&#039;ve been time for all of that.  But we weren&#039;t involved with the film&#039;s production so it&#039;s a futile argument.

Granted, this is your opinion, and we see eye to eye on some things but this review lacks a unique argument.  It&#039;s another Bay basher.  What&#039;s been posted in this entry has already been mentioned in a shitload of reviews, message boards, and blogs.  It&#039;ll never stop.

You should also never, under any circumstance, make a giant robot movie synonymous with someone&#039;s intelligence.  This review makes it sound as though Transformers should be on the level of Macbeth, which despite its success, it isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm in the minority here: I actually loved it.  Now does that make me a moron?  I'm gathering from your review that it does because the whole thing just oozed with elitism.  </p>
<p>Now I love G1 as much as the next guy, but despite its flaws, I think Transformers did very well in its first try.  Could it have been better?  Of course.  I'm in agreement that the Transformers in general should have gotten more screen time and that the plot revolving around the glasses was essentially useless, but this is the first installment of a 3-4 volume franchise and it should get better with time.  You have to understand that Bay and Co. were making this movie not only for old fans (in general, not just hardcore G1), but were using it as a litmus test to bring in a new wave of enthusiasts.</p>
<p>Again, it could've been better.  More robot screentime, more Decepticon interaction.  I was totally okay with Megatron not appearing until the end, but his battle with Prime could've had greater emphasis and it definitely wasn't as epic as in '86.  Also, Starscream could've been introduced earlier.  If all the bullshit was wiped clean, there would've been time for all of that.  But we weren't involved with the film's production so it's a futile argument.</p>
<p>Granted, this is your opinion, and we see eye to eye on some things but this review lacks a unique argument.  It's another Bay basher.  What's been posted in this entry has already been mentioned in a shitload of reviews, message boards, and blogs.  It'll never stop.</p>
<p>You should also never, under any circumstance, make a giant robot movie synonymous with someone's intelligence.  This review makes it sound as though Transformers should be on the level of Macbeth, which despite its success, it isn't.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look transformers number 1 sets it all up you cant expect it to be ok were autobots they are decipticons now lets fight. Yes it did drag out a bit but it was setting character development up the human armies had to be involved on character development, human stories had to be developed it takrs a while to tell  story even the original episodes of the transformers took 3 or 5 episode for more then meets the eye and 5 faces of darkness took 5 episodes yes they were cartoons and yes the yhad more action but in the movies it takes longer time to do this the second one will ahve  lot more action going on cause of hte character development has already been built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look transformers number 1 sets it all up you cant expect it to be ok were autobots they are decipticons now lets fight. Yes it did drag out a bit but it was setting character development up the human armies had to be involved on character development, human stories had to be developed it takrs a while to tell  story even the original episodes of the transformers took 3 or 5 episode for more then meets the eye and 5 faces of darkness took 5 episodes yes they were cartoons and yes the yhad more action but in the movies it takes longer time to do this the second one will ahve  lot more action going on cause of hte character development has already been built.</p>
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		<title>By: Tetsu Deinonychus</title>
		<link>http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/07-11-2007/tfbay/#comment-8000</link>
		<dc:creator>Tetsu Deinonychus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, Rather just come up with my own characters and concept (an actual indie-film instead of a fan-film).

I&#039;m thinking something set in a magical fantasy-world full of scenery rather than the typical futuristic/urban environment. And the mechs would be transform from flowers rather than animals or cars, etc.

The various mech pilots could acquire their mechs as seeds which grow into normal plants. The pilots can summon their robots by setting the plant on the ground and using a password to make it magically turn into a giant mechanical plant that transforms into a fully bipedal giant robot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, Rather just come up with my own characters and concept (an actual indie-film instead of a fan-film).</p>
<p>I'm thinking something set in a magical fantasy-world full of scenery rather than the typical futuristic/urban environment. And the mechs would be transform from flowers rather than animals or cars, etc.</p>
<p>The various mech pilots could acquire their mechs as seeds which grow into normal plants. The pilots can summon their robots by setting the plant on the ground and using a password to make it magically turn into a giant mechanical plant that transforms into a fully bipedal giant robot.</p>
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		<title>By: RADIX</title>
		<link>http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/07-11-2007/tfbay/#comment-7997</link>
		<dc:creator>RADIX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tetsu: You know, you could always redo the &quot;Transformers movie&quot;, by taking out the humans (save Sam), developing everyone (and keep &#039;em in character), and have better fight scenes. In other words, develop the plot from scratch, because that&#039;s what you&#039;re doing by taking out the human cast. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tetsu: You know, you could always redo the "Transformers movie", by taking out the humans (save Sam), developing everyone (and keep 'em in character), and have better fight scenes. In other words, develop the plot from scratch, because that's what you're doing by taking out the human cast. <img src='http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tetsu Deinonychus</title>
		<link>http://www.scary-crayon.com/blog/07-11-2007/tfbay/#comment-7960</link>
		<dc:creator>Tetsu Deinonychus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Excuse my double post)

You know, reading this article and posting what I just did really makes me want to make a Tokusatsu style Giant Robot movie.

I wish I could come up with an original idea for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Excuse my double post)</p>
<p>You know, reading this article and posting what I just did really makes me want to make a Tokusatsu style Giant Robot movie.</p>
<p>I wish I could come up with an original idea for one.</p>
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